Ithica>?? wtf man are you a frigging muslim or what? Sheesh oh pete man im not a religious man, but for god's sake read a bit of the bible!! if the asshole's hadn'tpersecuted the jew's to begin with the conflict would never be happening!! personally i say for israel to let loose the wrath of gawd and wipe all those ragheaded fucker's out!
You know it is sad that people only see the number of civilian's dieing in lebanon, yet how many thousand's of isralei's civilian's that have been killed in all this??
i say that alot of the world need to not worry so much about the collateral damage and see the real problem and say let it be done and blow the fucker's off the map!!
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You talk about Atrocity's, innocent people dying. Hitler tried to eradicate the Jews. ( Furnaces ) I feel the Arabs might have the same Phylocity. When they aren't fighting each other, they wanna fight Israel. Israel for a long time didn't even have a country. I bet if you try and take it from them now, you are gonna fight. he he Just what the Arabs like to do. At least the Hezbolah, Oladins, and others. I would like to see Peace over their. Even their own leaders in the Past that has agreed on a Peace, has got killed by other Arabs. Peace is great, but it only happens between Wars. Fight, Peace, Fight, Peace. I wonder if this is another reason, Israel is Fighting, so the Free World can Step in and negotiate a peace. ( Does sombody have to Hurt first ) ? --- I dont know. Shakes Head.
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Thank you Ben for being the perfect example why this situation is all fucked up. I like you ben, I really do, you are my boy, but dont' ever disrespect me like that again. I am a christian, I have read THE ENTIRE BIBLE. Maybe, however you missed the part about THOU SHALT NOT KILL, and TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, and JUDGE NOT FOR YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY GOD ALSO. Also, Ben you talk of Arabs persecuting Jews, because we ALL know that the Jew's treated the first christians SO well. Or in fact you know since it was Rome who crucified Jesus, how bout we not go and have a full out crusade on Italy, damn that sounds good don't it? And then there was that little thing we like to call the Crusades. The west went into town AFTER town AFTER town, slaughtering THOUSANDS. When they took Jerusalem they did not spare a soul. In fact the crusaders on the way to middle east would stop in Jewish areas and slaughter 10,000 at a time. ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD. That sounds familiar don't it? But damn those Muslims.
The problem is that Israel is the white rich boy living in Harlem, it just don't belong. The muslims must obviously believe in what they are fighting for. I mean you wanna go strap a bomb to your chest and blow up?
Eh im done ranting
The problem is that Israel is the white rich boy living in Harlem, it just don't belong. The muslims must obviously believe in what they are fighting for. I mean you wanna go strap a bomb to your chest and blow up?
Eh im done ranting
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Personally, I don’t believe that war begets yet more war. If that theory is true, then we would still be fighting WWII with Germany, Japan and Italy. If you look at the situation now, they are amongst our closest allies. Why? To put it simply, because the Allies agenda, once forced into it, was the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers. The Allies made it too expensive for the Axis to continue the war and possibly face total annihilation. I believe that is what needs to be done with these terrorist organizations. It needs to be so terribly costly to them that there is no other choice but to cease and desist.
Now, one could conceivably argue that the solution to WWII only created another problem (i.e. war) in another location for another reason. Let’s examine that scenario. That may very well be true. And, it’s quite possible other similar cases can be made. I would contend then that it is man’s nature then to be in conflict. So, why attempt to change what is so natural? Quit bitching about it and get on with it. Actually, I kind of like this theory as it fits in with other theories in nature. Animals and insects are in conflicts all the time. Why not man? Nature tends to balance itself out through conflicts of sorts. Maybe mankind has reached a point where it has overpopulated the earth and has reached a point where an “adjustment†needs to be made. And, maybe warfare is that method of “adjustment†as it is in nature. An aside, I also read somewhere that the recent rise in homosexuality is possibly nature’s way of manipulating a species population to maintain a balance in nature. It’s an interesting theory which happens to go along with the theory that homosexuality is genetic.
Anyway, back to terrorism. Terrorism has always existed and will continue to exist. In the past, it hasn’t been that much of a problem because it was mainly at the local or micro level. The problem now is that terrorists have the ability and financing to conduct terrorism on a level that was once reserved for nation-states, without the inhibitions that a nation-state would normally have. And, the problem the nation-states have is that they have to combat terrorism with the inhibitions of nation-states. Mind you, nation-states HAVE to combat terrorism. You can not ignore it. Ignoring it solves nothing. You can not give in to it. Once you have done that, it emboldens the terrorists to either threaten to or actually commit more acts of terrorism until they get whatever it is they then want. You can attempt to negotiate with the terrorists, but do you really think you will accomplish anything? Almost by definition, the demands of terrorists are radical, and impossible to allow. And, negotiations equate to compromise and isn’t that giving in to the terrorists?
To give you an example, the stated agenda of the terrorist groups in the Middle East is the total destruction of Israel and the Jews. So, in your negotiations, they either have to give in to your demands totally (Do you really think that will happen?), you have to give in to their demands totally and allow them to destroy Israel and the Jews (Again, do you really think that will happen?), or you have to compromise. So, in your compromise, do you allow ½ of Israel and ½ of the Jews to be destroyed? ¼? 2/3? Or is it ¾? Where do you draw the line? Let’s say that you do find a compromise and a line is drawn. What happens 6 months down the road, or a year down the road or even 5 years down the road when the terrorists have reexamined their situation and have decided that the old agreement was not sufficient? Back to the table to negotiate some more percentages? Or, do you finally take a stand? When do you take a stand? Is it after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 100th compromise?
What option(s) are you then left with?
I’ve heard some argue that, just because it is terrorism and not a conflict amongst nation-states, that it is a matter for the police and not the military. I disagree. I believe it is a matter for both. Neither can manage it alone. Personally, I think we have to combat terrorism head-on and we have to be prepared to take it all the way.
And, I don’t think we’re prepared to do that. Not as a nation. Not as a world. Apparently, it will take something more catastrophic than flying three planes into buildings. Most likely, it will take some nuclear, chemical or biological event of huge proportions to garner the world’s support against terrorism. Unfortunately, by then, I think it will be too late. And, it might be too costly which will make us the Germany, Italy or Japan of the conflict.
Oh well, my ramblings for the day, right or wrong.
By the way, I always found it interesting the correlations between cultures, countries, politics, etc and the childhood playground. You know……..the bully, the wimp, the various factions and the innocent and not-so-innocent bystanders. I find it interesting how it all plays out at both the micro and macro levels and all levels in between.
My personal story. I was one of the wimps in the 7th grade. A guy named Alan was the bully and he used to steal my stuff (lunch, school supplies, etc.) all the time. At any rate, it upset me and I mentioned it to my Father (Special Forces, Ranger type) who then proceeded to show me a couple of moves. At some point, Alan tried to steal my lunch and I wouldn’t allow it. He pushed me around some and I finally exploded on him. I made a move or two, gained leverage on him, got him on the ground and proceeded to pound the ever-loving crap out of him. I was still swinging away as the teacher pulled me off of him. I remember looking him straight in the eye and telling him he knew where to find me if he ever wanted another beating. He never bothered me again, nor did anyone else. We both got suspended for a week and I got one helluva attaboy from both my parents.
That’s my solution for the terrorists. Keep swinging away. Nip it in the bud before it becomes an even bigger, more costly problem.
See, I bet you guys all thought I was going to do something “Cono sneakyâ€, eh? No, that’s my Mom (CIA type). She had a similar problem in high school. Her solution was to fix a “special†lunch. The bully had a case of the runs and a stomach ache for days. Needless to say, she never had a problem again either.
P.S Do you know what you get when you turn the other cheek?
Two sore cheeks.
I am not a biblical scholar by any means but it's interesting that it preaches "Thou shalt not kill", yet has a lot of killing in it. Didn't David "kill" Goliath?
Now, one could conceivably argue that the solution to WWII only created another problem (i.e. war) in another location for another reason. Let’s examine that scenario. That may very well be true. And, it’s quite possible other similar cases can be made. I would contend then that it is man’s nature then to be in conflict. So, why attempt to change what is so natural? Quit bitching about it and get on with it. Actually, I kind of like this theory as it fits in with other theories in nature. Animals and insects are in conflicts all the time. Why not man? Nature tends to balance itself out through conflicts of sorts. Maybe mankind has reached a point where it has overpopulated the earth and has reached a point where an “adjustment†needs to be made. And, maybe warfare is that method of “adjustment†as it is in nature. An aside, I also read somewhere that the recent rise in homosexuality is possibly nature’s way of manipulating a species population to maintain a balance in nature. It’s an interesting theory which happens to go along with the theory that homosexuality is genetic.
Anyway, back to terrorism. Terrorism has always existed and will continue to exist. In the past, it hasn’t been that much of a problem because it was mainly at the local or micro level. The problem now is that terrorists have the ability and financing to conduct terrorism on a level that was once reserved for nation-states, without the inhibitions that a nation-state would normally have. And, the problem the nation-states have is that they have to combat terrorism with the inhibitions of nation-states. Mind you, nation-states HAVE to combat terrorism. You can not ignore it. Ignoring it solves nothing. You can not give in to it. Once you have done that, it emboldens the terrorists to either threaten to or actually commit more acts of terrorism until they get whatever it is they then want. You can attempt to negotiate with the terrorists, but do you really think you will accomplish anything? Almost by definition, the demands of terrorists are radical, and impossible to allow. And, negotiations equate to compromise and isn’t that giving in to the terrorists?
To give you an example, the stated agenda of the terrorist groups in the Middle East is the total destruction of Israel and the Jews. So, in your negotiations, they either have to give in to your demands totally (Do you really think that will happen?), you have to give in to their demands totally and allow them to destroy Israel and the Jews (Again, do you really think that will happen?), or you have to compromise. So, in your compromise, do you allow ½ of Israel and ½ of the Jews to be destroyed? ¼? 2/3? Or is it ¾? Where do you draw the line? Let’s say that you do find a compromise and a line is drawn. What happens 6 months down the road, or a year down the road or even 5 years down the road when the terrorists have reexamined their situation and have decided that the old agreement was not sufficient? Back to the table to negotiate some more percentages? Or, do you finally take a stand? When do you take a stand? Is it after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 100th compromise?
What option(s) are you then left with?
I’ve heard some argue that, just because it is terrorism and not a conflict amongst nation-states, that it is a matter for the police and not the military. I disagree. I believe it is a matter for both. Neither can manage it alone. Personally, I think we have to combat terrorism head-on and we have to be prepared to take it all the way.
And, I don’t think we’re prepared to do that. Not as a nation. Not as a world. Apparently, it will take something more catastrophic than flying three planes into buildings. Most likely, it will take some nuclear, chemical or biological event of huge proportions to garner the world’s support against terrorism. Unfortunately, by then, I think it will be too late. And, it might be too costly which will make us the Germany, Italy or Japan of the conflict.
Oh well, my ramblings for the day, right or wrong.
By the way, I always found it interesting the correlations between cultures, countries, politics, etc and the childhood playground. You know……..the bully, the wimp, the various factions and the innocent and not-so-innocent bystanders. I find it interesting how it all plays out at both the micro and macro levels and all levels in between.
My personal story. I was one of the wimps in the 7th grade. A guy named Alan was the bully and he used to steal my stuff (lunch, school supplies, etc.) all the time. At any rate, it upset me and I mentioned it to my Father (Special Forces, Ranger type) who then proceeded to show me a couple of moves. At some point, Alan tried to steal my lunch and I wouldn’t allow it. He pushed me around some and I finally exploded on him. I made a move or two, gained leverage on him, got him on the ground and proceeded to pound the ever-loving crap out of him. I was still swinging away as the teacher pulled me off of him. I remember looking him straight in the eye and telling him he knew where to find me if he ever wanted another beating. He never bothered me again, nor did anyone else. We both got suspended for a week and I got one helluva attaboy from both my parents.
That’s my solution for the terrorists. Keep swinging away. Nip it in the bud before it becomes an even bigger, more costly problem.
See, I bet you guys all thought I was going to do something “Cono sneakyâ€, eh? No, that’s my Mom (CIA type). She had a similar problem in high school. Her solution was to fix a “special†lunch. The bully had a case of the runs and a stomach ache for days. Needless to say, she never had a problem again either.
P.S Do you know what you get when you turn the other cheek?
Two sore cheeks.
I am not a biblical scholar by any means but it's interesting that it preaches "Thou shalt not kill", yet has a lot of killing in it. Didn't David "kill" Goliath?
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First, you cannot in any way compare this to WWII. The lines were drawn very clearly then. Yet, if you want evidence of saying war leads to more war, World War I led directly into World War II, so much in fact that historians are on the verge of calling it all World War I from 1914-1945, and you could even make the argument that you could extend it till the end of the Cold War.
The point I am trying to make is that this constant fighting will not end, there is not capital to capture, there is no leader to sign a surrender. We are not fighting a country, we are fighting a belief. You say to keep on swinging away, which we have been doing and what has it accomplished? A country can not fight forever, it is not possible. These people will not stop. It doesn't cost that much money to strap a bomb to yourself and walk into a patrol of U.S. Soldiers. Iraq is in civil war, I am going to pass the "brink of civil war" we are there. I say we at least try to compromise, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but damn at least we can say we tried. But I think the Jihadists will find it much harder to find supporters when we are actively working towards peace, and living together. But when we just go in and start blowing shit up, the support comes in droves. Im tired of seeing pictures of the dead, and I bet our boys are tired of seeing civilians killed everyday. Again, if peace fails it fails, I just want to be able to say that our humanity won out and we gave it one hell of a shot. Not only that these terrorist forces who say we are the instigators will have a hard time proving that when we are the ones coming to the table. Damnit, lets put our pride aside for two seconds, and try and stop the killing.
The point I am trying to make is that this constant fighting will not end, there is not capital to capture, there is no leader to sign a surrender. We are not fighting a country, we are fighting a belief. You say to keep on swinging away, which we have been doing and what has it accomplished? A country can not fight forever, it is not possible. These people will not stop. It doesn't cost that much money to strap a bomb to yourself and walk into a patrol of U.S. Soldiers. Iraq is in civil war, I am going to pass the "brink of civil war" we are there. I say we at least try to compromise, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but damn at least we can say we tried. But I think the Jihadists will find it much harder to find supporters when we are actively working towards peace, and living together. But when we just go in and start blowing shit up, the support comes in droves. Im tired of seeing pictures of the dead, and I bet our boys are tired of seeing civilians killed everyday. Again, if peace fails it fails, I just want to be able to say that our humanity won out and we gave it one hell of a shot. Not only that these terrorist forces who say we are the instigators will have a hard time proving that when we are the ones coming to the table. Damnit, lets put our pride aside for two seconds, and try and stop the killing.
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hiiamben wrote:Ithica>?? wtf man are you a frigging muslim or what? Sheesh oh pete man im not a religious man, but for god's sake read a bit of the bible!! if the asshole's hadn'tpersecuted the jew's to begin with the conflict would never be happening!! personally i say for israel to let loose the wrath of gawd and wipe all those ragheaded fucker's out!
You know it is sad that people only see the number of civilian's dieing in lebanon, yet how many thousand's of isralei's civilian's that have been killed in all this??
i say that alot of the world need to not worry so much about the collateral damage and see the real problem and say let it be done and blow the fucker's off the map!!
I'm sorry Ithica I just had to re-quote this gem just for the fun of it
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No ithiica im not trying to belittle you!! I just dont egt why you think isreal is the bad guy in this?? isreal for the most part woud like to live in peace, but no the frigging ragheads wont let em!! I'm sorry there is collateral damage in wars but itspart of war has been since war has started!
I'm just kind of fed up with all the peace activist's out in the world!! If peoplwe wopuld hace stood up to the asholes long ago and wiped em out the it might be a better world over there. personally i believe let loose israeal and damn the rest!!
I'm just kind of fed up with all the peace activist's out in the world!! If peoplwe wopuld hace stood up to the asholes long ago and wiped em out the it might be a better world over there. personally i believe let loose israeal and damn the rest!!
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Ithica I agree the killing has to stop.
I'll get into that in a minute. Thinking about the Middle East makes me think about the damn unbearable humid heat up here in Ohio right now. First floods, then more floods, now the most unbearable heat I've been in for quite a few years. Mind you, I'm from south Georgia, I spent time in places like the Phillippines, hot as hell, and I'm a tellin ya, it's damn hot up here in Ohio the last two days. Heat index of over 110 degrees F.
In fact, it's so damn hot here today, I was outside a little while ago and saw two trees fighting over a dog!
Heat....ah yes, the Middle East. How do you stop the freaking madness? I don't have the answer. I know only that I won't let anyone screw with my family, extended or otherwise. I'm a very peaceful person by nature. I don't bother people and I don't expect them to bother me. I'm not talking countries now I'm talking one on one plain ole suthurn boy. The middle east has been fighting since fighting began. Matter of fact, they probably started the first fight. We've been on the sideline for a very long time. Kind of like what we did in the beginning of World War II. The president swore we'd never send our boys to fight someone elses war. Then Perl Harbor. We've all heard the rumors and possible myths associated with us getting hit when we knew it was coming. Personally, I think it was a combination of that and some very damned stupid mistakes happening. Poor translater just couldn't translate the damn coded message fast enough on that manual typewriter. Could Perl Harbor been avoided.....maybe. Was it a comedy of errors....for sure I think. I doubt anyone would have allowd the carnage created there, even if we knew for sure they were coming, if they could. Were we looking for a way in.....maybe.
It's all history repeating itself all over again. Or more precisely, maybe a continuation of the way the world is from the beginning. I can't personally stop what is going on. No one man, no one country is going to be able to stop the madness. Unfortunately, I am afraid that one of cono's scenerio's will have to play itself out before EVERYONE wakes up and realizes that we are capable of ending mankind.
Let's assume some conditions for a few. Westerly winds in the Lebanon, Israel, Gaza area. Hezbula totally getting their clocks handed to them by the IDF. Now comes Iran, through Syria and a determination is made to use WMD's on Israel. All they can think of is finally ending this madness and wiping out all of Israel. So they drop a Nuke on Israel. Perfect strike, directly on target and tens of thousands of Jews are vaporized on the spot. A second bomb the next day and maybe even a third the day after. Hundreds of thousand dead Jews and the Muslim world is finally vindicated. The Streets of Syria, Iran, Iraq and many other Arab Countries are abound with celebrations such as has not been seen.
Hamas, Hamas, we're going to Gaza to hear from our Brothers in Hamas. They're surely dancing in the streets. The camera pans to nothing but blowing sand and silence. It's weird, no buildings are destroyed, yet Gaza seems deserted.
We break to the next days news.....the anchor starts to speak of the silence of the area. The camera pans again and again it's only blowing sand and undamaged structures, but no people. We take you to Iran. The Iranian President is speaking to his people........A few days ago we thought we were doing Gods will, we were removing the Jews from Arab lands. We destroyed the nation of Israel. In doing that, we also destroyed the Nation of Pallestine. This was not God's will. We have destroyed our own in our zealous desire to rid the planet of the hated Jew. Those westerly winds took the dreaded nuclear fallout and it settled in the land of our brothers. We now seek to ensure that no man is again capable of making such a dreadful mistake.
Nuclear polliferation stops. The world bans nuclear weapons and nations begin the healing process.
Could it happen, you bet your ass. I just hope and pray that everyone wakes up and realizes that peace is the only way of the world, before we destroy it all.
Until fanatical religions understand that they are capable of destroying their own, from within, I'm afraid the madness will continue.
Until that time, I will defend and protect mine with my life. If that means picking up arms so be it. I REFUSE to give in to terrorists of any kind. Home grown or otherwise.
No we're not picking on ya Ithica. You just got the ole blood working again. I've been pretty quiet about all this and it's about time we got it all out. Watch out though, we're learning your buttons.........
I'll get into that in a minute. Thinking about the Middle East makes me think about the damn unbearable humid heat up here in Ohio right now. First floods, then more floods, now the most unbearable heat I've been in for quite a few years. Mind you, I'm from south Georgia, I spent time in places like the Phillippines, hot as hell, and I'm a tellin ya, it's damn hot up here in Ohio the last two days. Heat index of over 110 degrees F.
In fact, it's so damn hot here today, I was outside a little while ago and saw two trees fighting over a dog!
Heat....ah yes, the Middle East. How do you stop the freaking madness? I don't have the answer. I know only that I won't let anyone screw with my family, extended or otherwise. I'm a very peaceful person by nature. I don't bother people and I don't expect them to bother me. I'm not talking countries now I'm talking one on one plain ole suthurn boy. The middle east has been fighting since fighting began. Matter of fact, they probably started the first fight. We've been on the sideline for a very long time. Kind of like what we did in the beginning of World War II. The president swore we'd never send our boys to fight someone elses war. Then Perl Harbor. We've all heard the rumors and possible myths associated with us getting hit when we knew it was coming. Personally, I think it was a combination of that and some very damned stupid mistakes happening. Poor translater just couldn't translate the damn coded message fast enough on that manual typewriter. Could Perl Harbor been avoided.....maybe. Was it a comedy of errors....for sure I think. I doubt anyone would have allowd the carnage created there, even if we knew for sure they were coming, if they could. Were we looking for a way in.....maybe.
It's all history repeating itself all over again. Or more precisely, maybe a continuation of the way the world is from the beginning. I can't personally stop what is going on. No one man, no one country is going to be able to stop the madness. Unfortunately, I am afraid that one of cono's scenerio's will have to play itself out before EVERYONE wakes up and realizes that we are capable of ending mankind.
Let's assume some conditions for a few. Westerly winds in the Lebanon, Israel, Gaza area. Hezbula totally getting their clocks handed to them by the IDF. Now comes Iran, through Syria and a determination is made to use WMD's on Israel. All they can think of is finally ending this madness and wiping out all of Israel. So they drop a Nuke on Israel. Perfect strike, directly on target and tens of thousands of Jews are vaporized on the spot. A second bomb the next day and maybe even a third the day after. Hundreds of thousand dead Jews and the Muslim world is finally vindicated. The Streets of Syria, Iran, Iraq and many other Arab Countries are abound with celebrations such as has not been seen.
Hamas, Hamas, we're going to Gaza to hear from our Brothers in Hamas. They're surely dancing in the streets. The camera pans to nothing but blowing sand and silence. It's weird, no buildings are destroyed, yet Gaza seems deserted.
We break to the next days news.....the anchor starts to speak of the silence of the area. The camera pans again and again it's only blowing sand and undamaged structures, but no people. We take you to Iran. The Iranian President is speaking to his people........A few days ago we thought we were doing Gods will, we were removing the Jews from Arab lands. We destroyed the nation of Israel. In doing that, we also destroyed the Nation of Pallestine. This was not God's will. We have destroyed our own in our zealous desire to rid the planet of the hated Jew. Those westerly winds took the dreaded nuclear fallout and it settled in the land of our brothers. We now seek to ensure that no man is again capable of making such a dreadful mistake.
Nuclear polliferation stops. The world bans nuclear weapons and nations begin the healing process.
Could it happen, you bet your ass. I just hope and pray that everyone wakes up and realizes that peace is the only way of the world, before we destroy it all.
Until fanatical religions understand that they are capable of destroying their own, from within, I'm afraid the madness will continue.
Until that time, I will defend and protect mine with my life. If that means picking up arms so be it. I REFUSE to give in to terrorists of any kind. Home grown or otherwise.
No we're not picking on ya Ithica. You just got the ole blood working again. I've been pretty quiet about all this and it's about time we got it all out. Watch out though, we're learning your buttons.........
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Apres Moi Le Deluge!
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RAF 617 Squadron, The DamBusters
AHC COS Retired
AHC CinC Staff, Retired
BEF CinC, Retired
RAF CO, Retired
Apres Moi Le Deluge!
After me, the flood!
"The DamBusters - not just a squad, a game imbalance"
gators1 wrote:I think a battalion of Georgia rednecks can easily take a bunch of Vermont hippies with peace symbols on their uniforms.
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Cono wrote:I am not a biblical scholar by any means but it's interesting that it preaches "Thou shalt not kill", yet has a lot of killing in it. Didn't David "kill" Goliath?
Nor am i a biblical scholar.
Old Testement = Jewish , Old Testement + New Testement = Christian. Old Testement + New Testement + Koran = Muslum. That quote is from the old testement. Ithicas are from the New Testement.
Old Testement had Jews killing all over the place, Vengful God. New Testement, sent the savior of the world and had a new peaceful covenent with all of humanity not just the Jews. I dont know the Korans over all messege. Ill need to read that.
Thats what i got out of it.
Most of my posts are like a lesbian orgy, all tongue and cheek.
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